Why would you need a sequencer?! People were able to mix compilation cds perfectly well before Ableton came out wern't they?

^^ Who said anything about Ableton?

Pro CDs have been mixed with sequencers for a long time, long before ableton existed.


Now I'm not saying that you can't mix a CD with decks, but what I am saying is that it would almost certainly be mixed better with a sequencer.

so explain what you mean by sequencer then cos im a bit confused, i dont think many people on here would know how to mix a cd with one

By sequencer I mean logic, protools, cubase, or something similar (there's lots).


Oh there's plenty people here who could, but they're not necessarily the same people that would do well in a djing compo (although the skills often go together).




The producers are going to be putting alot of time into these tracks. I expect about a month each, and given that there'll be about 10 tracks (I expect), that's 10 months work.
But the entire CD is gonna hinge on just one dj. And the way that dj is being judged tells us almost nothing about his ability to mix a CD.
I'd hate to see this CD messed up because the winning dj can't mix a CD. It would be a terrible waste of work.



I have a proposition though:
What about if the top three djs mix the CD. And the producers (yes, I mean just the producers) vote which mix is used. That way the dj compo still gets it's outright winner, and there's less chance of the cd getting messed up.

I'm not saying that the CD would get messed up btw. There's lots of entrants in this compo that would do a superb job of mixing it. But I'm sure there are also a few who would be out of their depth with the task.

You mean compilation cd as in 30 tracks on an album ?

You can alsways make a double cd then with two mixes

Not really sure what you mean here
I don't think there'll be 30 submissions for this CD. 10 is a reasonable estimate I think.


You mean CD1 mixed by dj1, and CD2 mixed by dj2 ... but with the same songs on each? It's novel, but I don't think people would take to it.

Can we continue this discussion in the UKTA CD forum please?

About the CD? Yes I agree.

But about the dj who mixes it? I think that belongs here

True, but let we wait for the results of the judges first before discussing about this issue already.

damn right

and i think it should be mixed with normal cd decks or mp3 mix program,
with a sequencer it's all to perfect...

And run the risk of insulting the winner? That's your call I guess.






What do you think a "mp3 mix program" is?

and mp3 mixing program like traktor dj studio perfectly emulates the real deal.
and for the lame people among us their is a sync button yes , but for those who tend not to use it ... it's nothing like a sequencer...

but like black-hole said let's discuss this somewhere else , and no matter how it's put you cannot bring up a sequencer to an mp3 mix program.

Not really, Addict-In-Trance is responsible for the UKTA CD, I only have to deliver the winner of this contest. He approached me with this price, it's not something of my own. I'm willing to help him with it, no doubt about it. But A-I-T does the UKTA CD and also the mixing of the CD, I deliver a winner of the contest, which has an extra price: mixing the UKTA CD.

But it's completely correct to discuss about this issue, we can probably prevent some problems in the future.

I have NEVER used a sequenzer or any computerprogram to mix my cd's, always use my CD-players to mix my cds

The only cds that are mixed with sequenzer are Ultimate Trance Collection or Gary D's crap trance/techno cds

Take the last two cds of Ferry Corsten (Passport & Creamfields)... 100% vinyl/cd

Traktor is a sequencer man, just like all the others. The UI might be different from what you'd traditionally associate with a sequencer, but it's a sequencer nonetheless.
I don't think anyone would seriously mix a CD on it though.





Yes, you're absolutely right. And I should have voiced my misgivings earlier I suppose. It is too late for this now.


I'm gonna drop this argument, coz I can't see it moving forward in any way really. Respect to all the participants, and I don't doubt that the winner will do a superb job of mixing the CD.

ok my last comment on this and then i'll drop it

i would just call traktor dj studio the same as two turntables...
can't seem to find the difference , and yes there are some well known dj's who mix their cd's with this , look for DJ Hell
really famous underground techno dj...
he uses nothing else

nothing wrong with traktor its a dj setup in a form of software and sound quality is the same so

I actually dont have a problem with it if the tracks are on CD, Mp3 or Vinyl. I got equipment for all those 3 things. I actually think a professional DJ needs this especially if he wants to be up to date. Just look u will get get quite a lot promos each month and many of them are just CD´s or Mp3s. And even if I for instance prefer mixing with vinyl i have to use them else my music could be out of date.
Nevertheless do i respect each DJ out there doesnt matter if he is using mp3s, cd´s, Vinyl or final scratch. I think they all got their style and this is very good. It would be too boring if we would all do the same thing dont ya think?

Though i also understand Bricky. For instance if u mix with mp3s u can always edit your mix if u dont like a transition. At the end u will get a more edited than mixed CD. If u mix with vinyl u cant edit anything its just all live and in 1 go! But to be honest i think this is how a mix should be. It should be a mix which u have done in 1 go without editing or anything. If u got a gig u also have to play live

But this doesnt lay in my/our hands to decide if it shall be an live mixed CD by TT´s or an edited one by mp3s. Plus im not even sure if all of the mp3 DJ´s here did edit their mixes. I only said it is possible


P.S. Plz dont think i got something vs. mp3 DJ´s , i only wanted to show the difference between a Vinyl and Mp3 mix CD.

grtz

Edit:

The idea about letting all DJ´s mix the CD came also in my mind out of interest how an other DJ would mix the CD with the same tracks. I think this is something very intresting since u can give the mix a completely new interpretation with a different build up and mixing. But i guess thats a DJ thing, and not so intresting for non DJ´s eh?

Hm, missed the deadline

Know its my fault probably, but underestimated the new school year as i already told a few ppl, some technical issues like no router upstairs were also bummers in the ass ( the router problem still isnt allowing me to have my live radio show )

I listened to a few mixes already and i think the contest itself will be exiting

And about the cd issue, i really dont believe that winning djs wouldn't be able to mix the cd. Here in belgium i know most of cds that are made in mix form, were made with vinyl/cd and run trough some equalization/effects/compressor so why couldnt it work here

Again sorry for the missed chance, i used up a spot another dj could have used


Good luck further on in the contest, i'll try to be a lil more active again once every issue has been resolved

i agree with you tommy.

to me, the ukta cd is about showcasing the talents of the members at ukta. Dj mixing is a talent, as i've had experience with vinyls, cds AND mp3's, i can assure you that there is more skill involved in making a vinyl mix than any other format. I dont care what anyone says, that is the truth. We have great dj's here at ukta such as dj diamond, cj milner, fuzzion, alex vibe etc. that can make great mixes on vinyl/cd. I know personally that mixing the ukta cd would be a great honour for Cj and i believe that we owe it to these guys to let them showcase their vinyl/cd mixing talent, just as we are showcasing our producing talent. When it all comes down to it, making an mp3 mix is half production and half djing, vinyl/cd mixing is a lot more djing. Give the dj's a go!

excuse me but a mix done with turntables can just be edited as easily as a mix done with mp3 cause you have to record it
and well mp3 mixing live on stage i did that in front of 500 people and it's not like i have time to edit it on the spot... so it was just as live as with turntables or cdj's

just to make my point here

I agree with Patrick...if ur mp3 mixing...its not that u could edit transitions....I mean this wouldn't be djing...!!

When I first started out mixing...I used to edit transitions in my sets...that was like 3 years ago...now..that I realized...I practice the set and record it live...and if its not good...I repeat the set again... .

Cheers
DJ Resemo

Well,

If i make a mix with TT´s i use an external recording source. Like an MD recorder or something. After this i copy it on my PC if i need it as mp3, I have to convert it from wave to mp3. So u were partly right that also Vinyl DJ´s could edit their mixes later. But just look how much time it would take. U need to make a complete mix first. After this u copy it from the md player to your HD, after this u open it in your music editing software. Then if u find a bad transition u go back to your turntables and start again in making this transition. After this u have to copy it again from the MD player to your HD and so on and on and on. . Each time u need to beatmatch + cue again. This would take forever...

If u use an Mp3 programm u can just cue each track to the fade in/out point via loop and then u make the transition between the 2 tracks. U dont even need to play the whole tracks. U only need that small part where u beatmatch the 2 tracks. U need nothing else.
U can make a complete mix of like 60 min in less than 30 min. U dont even need to mix it in real time .
Or if u mix in realtime and dont like a transition, u can easily make a new transition in the way i did describe before.

And once again! I did never say anything bad about this methode. The most Ibiza compilations were made in that way. And they r great. Also the sensation mastermix is done that way. I only wanted to point out the difference

Plus i did never say that an mp3 DJ is editing a mix while performing live. Thats just not possible. U dont have the time and not the equipment since u need to do it in real time. The only thing u could do is to code a programm which is doing all the mixing for u. I know there are programms out there which support automixing. Never tried one though.

So dont get me wrong OK I do respect each DJ out there whatever equipment they r using.
At Ibiza this summer for instance i met an mp3 DJ and he was pretty good and he made always a perfect warm up for me! And i also think that the crowd actually doesnt care in which way a mix is made. As long it sounds good and make´s them to dance

grtz

P.S. we might should create an extra topic about this if we want to continue, since we spam BlackHole´s threat here

totally agree with tommy.
With mp3 mixing you have these options as mentioned.
But there is another way to mix your Sets. You are using an hardwaremixer to make the transitions (like me) then you also must do a complete mix. Ill record it from the record output to my mp3 player and then it goes to my pc if i want to stream it live into the internet. After i´m done ill copy it via usb from the mp3 player to my hd (the way i used also for the competition).

wtf?

is that really true??
how does that work?? i mean, technically?

No idea, its baffling to me too! lol

it can be done with traktor. Coz it can record what you are doing not the sound. Its like a protocol of your mix. When you have done a transition you can cut the mix from this point, resume the mix and if the next transition is f**ked up you can load the last point and resume again from the cut.When you are finished you can generate the Set using the protocal in wave output format.
I know it´s boring and it´s nothing that you can do infront of an audience but it´s possible if your only using software.With traktor you must play the whole Set. Maybe Tommy means the programm Magix or something, but thats not mixing @ all it´s producing a mix.

^^ wow that sounds really cool...i mean, it must save u guys a s**tload of time!! im already thinking about buying another sound card to use for cueing so i could practise mixing whenever i want on my PC instead of renting equipment every f**king decade

I use mp3 mixing program, but i never did that..^^^. always record my mixes in real time. The only thing i do before mixing - just finding cue-points.... and never used automix or some other cheats....

Well yes it is possible , there are always things to make mixing easier. But like TP said its more producing than mixing and it says almost nothing about the ability of beatmatching, timing etc.

So ill stick to my Vinyl (old school) , i just like handwork

couldn't be said better I'm mixing with MP3's also for my online shows cause it takes less time but I think imho that DJ's should be capable of mixing mp3's vinyl & cd's!! If you can't then you're a twat you see Armin mixing with his MP3's on a laptop during Armin Only?? Don't think so... Let's give the dj's a go

my friend uses traktor i think (hes the one that gave me the 2 sound cards idea) and he says that the only difference is that u use a mouse instead of ur hands

vinyl is definitly the hardest of the three i've tried all three
for now i'm sticking to mp3's cause i don't have enough money for a pair of turntables.
but vinyl is hard cause you have to set up a cue point with you hands you cannot just fast forward or something...
and i respect dj's who use vinyl but i think it's not about what you use , it's how you do it a transition is a transition no matter what you use
same goes for mixing

If he´s using 2 soundcards, so he must use an hardwaremixer and it must all be done in a row.

Ok..seems that some judges reviewed the sets...when can we expect the final decison and winners...??

Cheers
DJ Resemo

End of October, first week of November. Maybe earlier as one of the judges almost finisghed his judging

heh i know what my top3 would be mutch diofferent styles in this mix, i mean not only trance

hold your horses
i'm not done yet 3 sets to go, when i'm done you will hear from me soon enough =)

Ok....

Cheers
DJ Resemo

I use 2 soundcards ( 1 usb card + 1 normal one) for years now

Me too, tho both are internal, they are each linked to my external Stanton mixer, which enables me to mix between PC and my decks.

sounds heaps good !
that way you can mix your mp3's with you vinyls , that's a nice way to do it mate

Yup, tho i wont need to do it now as I've got a Pioneer CDJ200, but i need a second one to have a proper set up really.

what mp3 mixing program do u guys recommend i get (to use with the 2 sound cards)?

Sony Acid Music Studio for very easy mixing!
Ableton Live & Tracktor otherwise...

Traktor and Virtual DJ do it both for me

Iv not used anything other thatn PCDJ Red/Pro, keeps it nice and simple and the layout is just like a regular CD mixing deck. Traktor looks far too complex lol

il most probably go with that one

thx to everyone for the suggestions

so when are the results?